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Harlequin and . . . MANGA?

 
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Rivkah
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:13 pm    Post subject: Harlequin and . . . MANGA? Reply with quote

If you haven't heard of it yet, you better go take a look because apparently, Harlequin is teaming up with Darkhorse to release romance manga titles . . . in AMERICA.

The titles being released are from already existing manga novel titles that Harlequin publishes in Japan. Yes, you heard that right. Harlequin publishes manga, too. Or rather . . . adapatations are made off of books they've already published. You can find some of their existing titles here: http://www.cuppacafe.com/comics/

Honestly . . . EW. Is it just me, or do they all look remarkably vapid and the content sexist? Last time I read a romance novel from Harlequin, I seriously wanted to shoot the protagonist in the head.

*waves goodbye to Positive Female Image*


For some more reading, "Yet Another Comics Blog" raises some good points.
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crispy
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't anything new. There's loads of smutt-manga in Japan. They've even started recruiting them for over here in the states already (*coughKaikanPhrase*cough). The writing for these is generally pretty bad, and the protagonist is always some weakwilled girl who at first rejects the man, but then gives in during hte middle of it.

Yeah... it's pretty dumb, but girls DO like it. One of the most popular scanlation teams translates a lot of smutt-manga, and they have a VERY large female fan-base. It's not that girls actually want somethign like that... but it's a turn on I guess (I really wouldn't know :X)

The writing for these looks pretty bad though... "What's with this bed...!?" ... it's HUGE, and you're alone in a room with a guy. What do you think is up?
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Rivkah
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crispy wrote:
Yeah... it's pretty dumb, but girls DO like it. One of the most popular scanlation teams translates a lot of smutt-manga, and they have a VERY large female fan-base. It's not that girls actually want somethign like that... but it's a turn on I guess (I really wouldn't know :X)


There's some REALLY good girl-smut manga out there. "Darling wa" is always the first to come to mind, but that plays a lot on humor rather than drama, which I think is the real charm of the better series.

Just looking at these sample titles, I wonder what demographic they'll be selling them to? The majority of Harlequin readers tend to be relatively older women, but older women in the US don't *read* comics--or at least, not enough to create a substantial market worth printing and selling to. I told some of the girls in my family, and my step-sister was like, "Ooooh" with a look of complete disinterest and then started talking about something else. Though she did laugh at the art . . .

Or maybe it's just my feminist tendencies surfacing? I seriously abhor most romance novels, yet they're one of the hottest-selling kinds of books. Obviously they appeal to *somebody*. They just portray women in such a negative light. EVERY book follows the same format: the poor, pretty damsel in distress gets picked up by the rude, rich, and handsome fellow she hates at first, he seduces her, they have sex, fall in love and she lives happily ever after because he's taking care of her. It really makes my poor stomach churn. :\

Another thing is that the women in these samples look . . . well . . . OLD. Which is what makes me think they'll be hitting for an older female audience.

As I said on the NEWSARAMA forums, though: "Comics and manga companies should be focusing on growing with their female audience rather than leaping over them--ie. starting with the younger generation and then maturing their titles as they age. As it is, the primary readers of manga right now are 25-under females, the majority of which will most likely not be interested in these titles when there are already better manga on the shelves with better story and better art."

While girl-smut is pretty popular on a lot of scanlation sites I've been through, I've noticed that the majority of protagonists in these stories tend to be teenage to lower twenties. They also seem to feature more "slice of life" type stories than . . . these . . . well . . . how DO you describe the majority of Harlequin romance novels? Most of them are set in old westerns, civil war, WWII--hardly eras the modern-day girl can related to, and not worth their historical content because it's all fiction anyway.

One of my greatest fears is how this line will be marketed . . . Harlequin is known for cheap, gaudy material. And they publish EN MASSE. The mass paperback market is a frickin' monster, and the kind of advertising campaigns they may potentially employ with their US manga titles could potentially harm what little respect girls in comics have won in the past few years. It's kind like how there really are a lot of good romance titles out there, but they're impossible to find beneath all the trash. OR, they could go the other way and follow companies like DC's CMX into obscurity because they expect the titles to sell themselves and simply want another piece of the pie.

These are all, of course, my own opinions and I could very well be proven wrong. I realize I sound a little doomsdayish--and this really is all pure speculation with me playing the devil's advocate in order to spark intelligent debate--but I just don't see this as a good mix. I'd like to know some positive points to this, if there are any.

For snarky romance novel reviews, check out this site: http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com/ Somebody's GOTTA mail 'em a copy of these book swhen they come out! >_<

But I'll be happy as long as they don't make make manga covers like these. *snark* (warning, some adult content behind that link)
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crispy
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the worst part of this whole idea is exactly like yuo said... these harlequin romances sell to older women... and to add to that, they're CHEESEY! I mean, romance novels like Norah Roberts, I know some of my friends read, but not the crap that's set a hundred years ago...

I really think it would have been more lucrative for them to license RECENT smutt manga, rather than older-styled ones. One of the problems with selling these is getting people to get over the older style artwork. It's very early 90's late 80's shoujo, and not really anything like what's selling right now (Hot Gimmick, H3, Fruits Basket, etc.) People really do rely on art to sell them a book, and I don't really think that these are going to cut it.

Oh well, though. Let Dark Horse waste their money. Knowing them, they'll release all of 3 books and then there'll be a long period of nothing.
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IronMouse
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HAHAHAHA!!!

"Darling wa" is a good example of an OL manga, actually. XD You can only find this sort of thing in Japan, where this sort of part-doujinshi market is driven entirely and funded almost entirely by women. There's ALOT of smut being peddled at office-lady-age women in Japan, though probably not as much as the smut targetted at men. In terms of trashy romance novels, I believe the majority of these companies are run by men, even if they employ a staff full of women. But then I'm just speculating.

I actually think it would be interesting how it highlights cultural differences. Alot of trashy romance novels are like sexual fantasies without explicit sex - whereas alot of Japanese women-smut have VERY explicit sex in them. When Western MEN hear about it, they are SHOCKED! SHOCKED!! The idea that women read, on a large scale, what can be considered pornography can totally upset the male-centered view of the universe of these guys. Let's face it, the idea that women can be just as highly sexualised as men bothers the crap out of (some) of them.

Example: Men reading lesbian porn. Naughty, but acceptable - hey, boys will be boys. Women and girls reading male-on-male action for titillation purposes? WOAH, there is a MORAL objection to this!! Would you believe I've had guys tell me that yaoi is misogynistic because there are hardly any girls in it? I say: is lesbian porn androgynistic because there are no men in them? They then realise they're wrong, but it takes them a LOOOONG time to accept the idea of yaoi.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mom is a member of two of Harlequin's book clubs where they send you a new box of six books every month. Sure, they're cheesy, but she reads the hell out of them (and has been doing that since the 70s).

Personally, I can't see manga adaptations of those novels appealing to her. Part of the allure of those pulp romance novels is picturing the actions and scene in your head.

Plus, knowing my mom's reading speed, I can't see her justifying the higher price of a manga for a far shorter reading experience.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two words: GOOD GOD. This is one of the iffier ideas I've heard of. I myself have read a lot of Regency Romance novels (not Harlequin, because I think those books are very, very bad) and I don't see this doing well. Some books just don't make a good transition into a comic, especially if there's no contact with the original author, and I don't see where that would be happening here. Such a bad idea. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crispy wrote:
(*coughKaikanPhrase*cough)


Embarassed wut is wrong with kaikan phrase? ^^ *pauses* hold up, tehy're releasing it? Surprised

ANYWAYS, the point is that these blantantly sexist (against females, anyways) mangas won't sell because the main demographic IS females (sorry crispys Very Happy )

plus i'll personally hunt down and kick any sexists ass. fear me and my mallet. Twisted Evil
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