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Super Rats Power Level: Recoome

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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| It would still be people who don't normally visit there influencing the outcome. |
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adam_omega Power Level: Kui

Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Seven Seas
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Super Rats wrote: | | It would still be people who don't normally visit there influencing the outcome. |
I changed my wording. Thanks. |
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ActionJackal! South Kai

Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 1899 Location: Riding Sanzo (I mean my motorcycle, Pervy McPervington)
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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That discussion makes me sick. "OMG ITS NOT MANGA IF IT DOESENT COME FROM JAPAN (unless it comes from korea or china) AND IF ITS NOT MANGA IA M NOT INTERESTED IN UR CRAPY AMERICA COMIZX!!!1"
I guess it wouldn't be an anime board without a zillion stupid semantics debates, though. _________________ "See? That was stupid. Now I have to kill you."
--Genjo Sanzo, Saiyuki
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Captain Power Level: King Cold

Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 1757 Location: CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| ActionJackal! wrote: | That discussion makes me sick. "OMG ITS NOT MANGA IF IT DOESENT COME FROM JAPAN (unless it comes from korea or china) AND IF ITS NOT MANGA IA M NOT INTERESTED IN UR CRAPY AMERICA COMIZX!!!1"
I guess it wouldn't be an anime board without a zillion stupid semantics debates, though. |
Indeed, that kind of discussion is very very annoying. Manga doesn't have to come from Japan to be manga. I consider Teen Titans to be a new form of anime and it's American made. I wonder if those people know that Cartoon Network was the one who co-produced Big O's second season? Probably not. Back to comics....capture the manga spirit and it's a manga no matter where it comes from.
I've talked about this topic before and I've questioned people this, "What if I were to buy a plane ticket to Japan, and sketch a manga over there? Would it be considered manga even though I'm and American & I happened to get it printed in Japan?
Orr.....What if your favorite Japanese mangaka came to the USA for the weekend and sketched a manga in an American hotel and then had it printed in a USA magazine? Would his/her manga suddenly not be considered manga just because he/she was in the USA & that their art was published in a USA magazine?
In both these situations, I tell those close-minded twerpts IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU ARE FROM OR WHERE YOU ARE AT, Manga is manga as long as it caputures the spirit of a great story and wonderful characters that you'll remember forever and ever! And it helps to have some common manga-like stuff go on like chibis and exaggerated emotions. |
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Pseudome Supreme Kai

Joined: 31 Jul 2003 Posts: 1719 Location: Another dimension...BLEAH!
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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I can only imagine, that as American manga (ooo, I bet I pissed off some otaku somewhere with that term) is released in more copious amounts, the general public will eventually become oblivious to a title's origins. Or better yet, simply indifferent.
There will always, ALWAYS be purists who will decry anything that is a derivative of the original. Kinda like how some people who are totally into American animation decry Japanese animation because it's a derivative of American animation. Hmm...Looks like this whole argument is just one of those big, vicious cycle thinggies, isn't it? How moronic. Er, I mean, ironic. Er, maybe I was right the first time.  _________________ Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much... - Teddy Roosevelt |
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Patachu North Kai

Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Posts: 2051 Location: Dorkémon Academy
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Silly Americans, mangas are for Japanese!
| Quote: | | And my hope would be that there would be a site that would cover it to the same extent we cover DVD news and reviews to help grow it along. I'd much rather see a site dedicated to it in order to give it the "love and attention" |
Agreed ... in fact I think the Pseudome boards are quickly becoming the site that will give English-speaking manga the love and attention it needs. It does skew towards Tokyopop, and probably needs better coverage of vaguely-mangaish comics on the American market that aren't handled by manga publishers (Oni Press, Viper, sometimes Vertigo). However, I have seen some great discussions on here, and if the people who contributed to those threads were to channel it into a website of info, news, reviews, and columns, if would kick teh butt.
(and none of that "LOLOLZ I CAN DRAW ANIMe!!" crap, either.) |
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IronMouse Power Level: Jeice

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 384 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps the reason why they've resisted having a thread on American manga is that there are still alot of fans out there who harbour prejudice towards American manga. They may not be prejudiced against manwha or manhua, but they just believe that American popular culture is inferior. And let's face it, alot of big anime-watchers watch anime because of the exotic "otherness" or it, rather than looking for something to identify with.
And even if American manga succeeds, it still remains to be seen whether people will be willing to lump it into the same category as Asia-made manga. After all, American manga so far has shown it self to be so different that it probably belongs in a category of it's own.
And I think it's so ironic that the manga by Seven Seas are drawn by Filapinos, which would qualify as "Asian" manga. And yet because their target market is America, they're lumped into the "Americna manga" category. Oi.
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crispy Power Level: King Cold
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I think we should just call it Amalgamanga , cause it's basically all an amalgamation of the cultures of where the various artists are from. |
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Pseudome Supreme Kai

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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I think we should just call it Amalgamanga |
DUDE! YES!  _________________ Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much... - Teddy Roosevelt |
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crispy Power Level: King Cold
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Pseudome wrote: | | Quote: | | I think we should just call it Amalgamanga |
DUDE! YES!  |
Good! It's decided. Amalgamanga will now be the acceptable term! |
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LynxGriffin Power Level: Frieza

Joined: 28 Nov 2003 Posts: 1115 Location: Depends on which personality you're talking to
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Bonus points if you can say it five times fast!
...Actually, I just tried it, and it's easier to say "Amalgamanga" than it is "Amerimanga"  _________________
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Rivkah Power Level: Ginyu

Joined: 17 Oct 2003 Posts: 962 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| IronMouse wrote: |
And I think it's so ironic that the manga by Seven Seas are drawn by Filapinos, which would qualify as "Asian" manga. And yet because their target market is America, they're lumped into the "Americna manga" category. Oi. |
Heh. I said that, too. I noticed a long time ago that all the artists are from the Philippines, and honestly . . . I get a little tiffed at it being labeled "Made In America" in what marketing and reviews I've seen so far. I AM a purist. Don't say something was produced in MY country when it wasn't. It's like a New Yorker coming to Texas, donning a cowboy hat, and calling themselves Texan. I'll get my boots out and kick ya' ass. (No offense to New Yorkers. My mom's from there.)
I take a lot of pride in the American label. I don't mind my comics being called American Manga. I like the distinction, and I hope that "American" manga is something that is someday synonymous with originality and quality. It certainly isn't there yet, but it will be (along with the plethora of cr*p that already exist and will always exist). The most original titles I'm seeing are ones that are currently being produced in non-Asian countries. I have a lot of hope that what we're doing here in the States, Europe, and Australia will someday reflect back on Japan, China, Korea, etc. Who knows . . . maybe the next big creator will be Indian, or Russian, or African? Then "global manga" really will be apropos.
I like the term "kokusai manga" that was suggested. "Kokusai" is very pleasant to say, doesn't have the "made in Japan" stigma that manga does, nor the Superhero or funnies stigma that "comics" do, and I believe it literally means "global" or something like that. It's all-encompassing.
And it's just a pretty word to say. Sounds like a flower. However, my personal ideal would be for people to judge a comic by the content of its story and the quality of its art rather than the origin of its name. ^_~ _________________
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pushav Power Level: Nappa
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:48 am Post subject: |
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Have you guys noticed this trend?.........
the funny thing is that you have people who don't like american manga but the draw in the manga style hoping to get published thinking that it will be popular but their property will get diliked by someone else who has the same dreams and comic values who only likes manga from overseas. I find it ironic.
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Super Rats Power Level: Recoome

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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| No. Why would someone who aspires to make American manga dispise the idea of American manga? Unless of course they haven't had their daily handful of meds. |
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Super Rats Power Level: Recoome

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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:04 am Post subject: |
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I like the sound of "kokusai" myself, but personally, I don't see the need to call my manga influenced comics anything other than "comic" or manga-comic, whatever. Fans are always going to want to make distinctions on whatever, e.g., Hollywood, Indie, Italian cinema, French cinema. There's no real way of getting around that habit of fandom, which is why as stupid as it is a debate over semantics it isn't semantics for many potential customers who for better or worse, valid or invalid reasons, calling an American comic a manga (without any qualifiers or modifiers) rings false.
Trying to force fandom into accepting American made stuff can be called manga is like trying to get someone who doesn't like you to like you. I think one thing American manga needs to do before it takes flight is to drop this whole what is manga debate by just not flat-out calling itself manga. |
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